1985 10:23 Sat Jun 4
UK prison sentences - The Big Question
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Harry Shilling brings in 31 machine guns into UK.
Sentence = jailed for 30 years. Will serve a minimum of 20 behind bars.
Ian Watkins, Lost Prophets (babies etc)
Sentence = 29 years. Eligible for parole just before 20 years in prison.
Not saying that Shilling's offence wasn't bad...yes, if those machine guns fell into the wrong hands there COULD have been a Paris-style massacre on the streets of Britain.
But really? Does WHO see the two offenders as deserving of similar sentences? The courts obviously do.
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Takashi Miike
10:37 Sat Jun 4
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they both should get life with no parole or early release, never going to happen though is it? Watkins should have been put down, the cunt
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joe royal
10:42 Sat Jun 4
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Some footballer touches up a 15yo 6 years ?
Some footballer crashes his Range Rover pissed up and kills two kids - 4 years?
What's your point caller?
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bruuuno
10:46 Sat Jun 4
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Seems like a FUCKING SHIT QUESTION to me
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BRANDED
10:50 Sat Jun 4
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Why cant these people just get a massive slap? Make them mongs and stck them in a mong home?
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Troy McClure
10:55 Sat Jun 4
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That fucking huckle cunt should be put down. No ifs no buts. Fucking poison the cunt and let him rot.
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Sven Roeder
11:05 Sat Jun 4
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The first one Id hang up in Trafalgar Square and slice an inch off him each day starting at the soles of his feet.
The second I'd drop him in with the replacement bear for that one that got shot last week.
Next ?
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Darlo Debs
1:58 Sun Jun 5
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Takashi I have been researchi g this road death issue. For those who plead guilty to causing death by dangerous driving the average sentence is just under r4 years.
There are calls for. such crimes to be amalgamated into our homicide laws. I dont think many would argue that manslaughter is a far more just charge, considering that is what the bloke got charged with who killed that copper in Liverpool.
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Darlo Debs
1:59 Sun Jun 5
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Sorry i meant to refer to joe Royal there
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Vexed
4:18 Sun Jun 5
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I'm sure this would be solved by leaving the EU and pissing our children's future up the wall. Nonces are a foreign import surely?
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Animal
2:26 Sun Jun 5
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Darlo, they can't be amalgamated, they're totally different.
noone sensible is calling for it.
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Chigwell
5:53 Sun Jun 5
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Animal is right about the difference between driving offence(s) and manslaughter, which requires the prosecution to prove that the accused foresaw the risk of death or injury, and ran it.
Driving offences such as causing death by dangerous driving are committed regardless of the intention or knowledge of the accused. They are therefore treated less seriously on sentence.
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bruuuno
7:38 Sun Jun 5
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Men's rea innit
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Darlo Debs
8:40 Sun Jun 5
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I have heard of a judge and a high ranking police officer calling for manslughter to be used instread of causing death by dangerous driving in light of the rise of hit and runs.
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stomper
8:43 Sun Jun 5
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Over here they have a crime of Vehicular Homicide. Mind you they also have a crime of 'suicide by cop'
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
4:33 Mon Jun 6
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I'm loving the 'if' in 'if those machine guns fell into the wrong hands'. Who the fuck has a 'right' reason for the illegal purchase of 31 machine guns?
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1985
7:28 Mon Jun 6
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A British man has been given 22 life sentences after admitting 71 charges of sex abuse against children in Malaysia aged from six months to 12 years old.
Police believe Richard Huckle, 30, from Ashford, Kent, abused up to 200 children from mainly poor communities.
The Old Bailey judge described a 60-page paedophile manual Huckle wrote as a "truly evil document" and said he must serve at least 23 years in jail.
A woman in the public gallery shouted: "1,000 deaths is too good for you".
In online posts, Huckle had bragged: "Impoverished kids are definitely much easier to seduce than middle-class Western kids."
Commenting on one of his victims, he boasted: "I'd hit the jackpot, a 3yo girl as loyal to me as my dog and nobody seemed to care."
So, 22 life sentences means he could be out after 23 years?
23 YEARS?
Listen, I'm not saying the machine gun smuggling was not serious, but that fella is getting a comparable sentence to the baby rapists. Seems a bit odd.
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claret on my shirt
8:53 Mon Jun 6
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Yes i think both are great sentences because it sends out a message that says, do either and your lifes as good as over.
Also if a Jihadist brings in 31 AK47's we'd all want him banged up for life and rightly so. So why should Shillings be any different.
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mashed in maryland
9:54 Tue Jun 7
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Arms smuggling isn't exactly a petty crime tbf. Pretty sure it carries the death sentence across a lot of the world. The bloke probably made fortunes, 20-odd years isn't *THAT* much, big time drug smugglers often get similar, and again the punishment is often death. Plus you've got to remember what guns are actually in the world to do... people smuggling guns into this country are indirectly responsible for countless murders. I reckon he got a reasonable sentence.
That nonce on the other hand, it's absolutely baffling that he'll be able to potentially walk the streets again. Although when you look at how lenient judges often are with paedos, that sentence isn't *that* light. Although obviously in an ideal world he'd be tortured to death.
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joe royal
10:51 Tue Jun 7
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I can't work out why that bloke from Kent (KENT) was tried and imprisoned here and not in Malaysia .
Any clues why not?
Gary glitter was tried and locked up in Vietnam .
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joe royal
10:58 Tue Jun 7
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Wikki
Huckle was prosecuted under the rarely used Section 72 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 which allows British nationals to be tried and convicted for child sex crimes committed while overseas,[26] known as extraterritorial jurisdiction, a move which was welcomed by child protection charities.[4][27]
This is a rarely used section of the Act and, while no official record is kept, it is believed that Huckle is only the seventh person to be prosecuted under the measure and that his crimes are definitely the most serious to be prosecuted under it.[10][28]
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